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   05-25-2006, 7:51 PM
Guide To Salvation is not online. Last active: 1/19/2008 7:03:46 PM Guide To Salvation

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I completely agree with you.  here are some examples:

Jesus And Paul - Contradictions Never Agree

For The Love Of God (original sin)

Did Paul Blaspheme

Interview With a Savior

Five Pillars of Islam


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   05-25-2006, 9:35 PM
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 Guide To Salvation wrote:
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It was your argument, you quoted it to me. I used scripture to show you the truth. Logically, historically and interpretively it can not be Muhammad. If it is not Muhammad, Islam can not be from God. Your religion is based on this.

Whatch the video and them read the verses he is talking about. You will see that the guy in the video is lying.  Matthew and Luke.

My religion is not based on this.  Islam existed long before anyone made such a connection.  Besides, this is one of over a dozen prophecies that fits Muhammad (pbuh). I still believe it to be about Muhammad (pbuh).  Once again, if it is not, then who is it about?  Why do you keep dodging this question?  I don't care about the video, that is not my argument.  I linked you that video before I even watched it cause it was e-mailed to me.

Why does the original Aramaic word translate to Ahmad or Muhammad (pbuh) if it is not talking about him?  It is his name in the original language.

The bible itself says who it is. You lose even more credibility by admitting linking something to me that you have not studied yourself.
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   05-26-2006, 5:18 PM
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 marklewis wrote:
 Guide To Salvation wrote:
 marklewis wrote:

It was your argument, you quoted it to me. I used scripture to show you the truth. Logically, historically and interpretively it can not be Muhammad. If it is not Muhammad, Islam can not be from God. Your religion is based on this.

Whatch the video and them read the verses he is talking about. You will see that the guy in the video is lying.  Matthew and Luke.

My religion is not based on this.  Islam existed long before anyone made such a connection.  Besides, this is one of over a dozen prophecies that fits Muhammad (pbuh). I still believe it to be about Muhammad (pbuh).  Once again, if it is not, then who is it about?  Why do you keep dodging this question?  I don't care about the video, that is not my argument.  I linked you that video before I even watched it cause it was e-mailed to me.

Why does the original Aramaic word translate to Ahmad or Muhammad (pbuh) if it is not talking about him?  It is his name in the original language.

The bible itself says who it is. You lose even more credibility by admitting linking something to me that you have not studied yourself.

Who is it?  If you're alluding to the holy ghost, then explain to me how it can be?  Jesus (pbuh) clearly says he has to leave for the holy ghost to come, but we know from scripture that the holy ghost was there the entire time.  Also, don't drop the Christian version of Jesus (pbuh) and his likeliness to Dionysus.  Why are they so similiar?


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   05-26-2006, 6:38 PM
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 Guide To Salvation wrote:
 marklewis wrote:
 Guide To Salvation wrote:
 marklewis wrote:

It was your argument, you quoted it to me. I used scripture to show you the truth. Logically, historically and interpretively it can not be Muhammad. If it is not Muhammad, Islam can not be from God. Your religion is based on this.

Whatch the video and them read the verses he is talking about. You will see that the guy in the video is lying.  Matthew and Luke.

My religion is not based on this.  Islam existed long before anyone made such a connection.  Besides, this is one of over a dozen prophecies that fits Muhammad (pbuh). I still believe it to be about Muhammad (pbuh).  Once again, if it is not, then who is it about?  Why do you keep dodging this question?  I don't care about the video, that is not my argument.  I linked you that video before I even watched it cause it was e-mailed to me.

Why does the original Aramaic word translate to Ahmad or Muhammad (pbuh) if it is not talking about him?  It is his name in the original language.

The bible itself says who it is. You lose even more credibility by admitting linking something to me that you have not studied yourself.

Who is it?  If you're alluding to the holy ghost, then explain to me how it can be?  Jesus (pbuh) clearly says he has to leave for the holy ghost to come, but we know from scripture that the holy ghost was there the entire time.  Also, don't drop the Christian version of Jesus (pbuh) and his likeliness to Dionysus.  Why are they so similiar?

 The bible itself says that it is the Holy Ghost. You can reference the scriptures we have been discussing. I may have overlooked some of your post but if you could be more specific as to where the Holy Ghost is mentioned while Jesus was on the earth we could possible reach some closure on this issue.
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   05-27-2006, 9:21 PM
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 marklewis wrote:

 The bible itself says that it is the Holy Ghost. You can reference the scriptures we have been discussing. I may have overlooked some of your post but if you could be more specific as to where the Holy Ghost is mentioned while Jesus was on the earth we could possible reach some closure on this issue.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

1 Samuel 10:10 "And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them."

"And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly."

1 Samuel 11:6

"Then he remembered the days of old, moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?"

Isaiah 63:11

"For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."

Luke 1:15

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee."

Luke 1:35

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost"

Luke 1:41

"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,"

Luke 1:67

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."

Luke 2:25

"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost (Simeon), that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ."

Luke 2:26

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."

Luke 3:22

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost."

John 20:21-22

Did they or did they not already receive the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus (pbuh) not still with them when they received the Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not with Simeon, Mary, Elisabeth and Zacharias before the birth of Jesus (pbuh)? Was the Holy Ghost not with Moses (pbuh) when he parted the seas? There are many more similar verses to be found in the Bible. In the above verses, we are told that if Jesus (pbuh) does not depart then the "parakletos" will not come. Thus, the "Holy Ghost" cannot be the one originally intended since it was already with them. The contradiction is quite obvious.

And as for the Christian Jesus (pbuh) and Dionysus similiarities, are you truly willing to dismiss it?  This is major, this shows that Christianity was affected by Paganism.  Why is the trinity God exactly like Dionysus (and many others), who is a pagan God?  I would be terrified if I found out my God had the exact attributes of a pagan god.


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